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Post by vitugglan on Sept 6, 2019 5:24:53 GMT -6
What if the premise of a First Order and a Resistance was bad from the start? I've been looking at critiques and this is what I came up with - it made no sense that a new 'Empire' would come about in just 30 years. Too many people would remember how bad the Empire was. No one would have forgotten about Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, the Millennium Falcon, etc., in that time. So, of course I've been brainstorming about what might have been a better set-up...
What if the new Republic was going along, like the Empire pretty much ignoring the outer planets (see prequels, Anakin, etc.) and a covert 'resistance' of Empire backers were slowly amassing a fleet and troops in those forgotten territories? Thirty years on, they start infiltrating. Gangs of them causing disturbances, protesting, undermining the still-fledgling Republic, as they start actual militant sabotage of planets further in? They could take over the governments of the farthest planets and start fomenting dissatisfaction as they move inward to the core of the Republic. Rey gets pulled in by their attempted takeover of her home planet, Finn could reconsider his place as he sees what this 'resistance' is getting up to, and regular people start waking up to the threat from this faction in general. Leia is called out of retirement, Han himself (who has gone on to be just a regular transporter of goods in lieu of smuggling in order to support his family) sees things and starts reporting to what's left of the original Rebels. Luke is sought, must come out of semi-retirement teaching new Jedi and lead his older, graduated, Jedi a la prequels.
What do you think? Did JJ Abrams, not Rian Johnson, start the lowering of the coffin into the grave?
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Post by Admin on Sept 9, 2019 3:38:22 GMT -6
This "Imperial Loyalists as resisting the New Republic" thought lines was a plot point in quite a few of the Expanded Universe books in the post-Return of the Jedi timeline/story arcs. You may have read/see/heard of a character Admiral Thrawn (in some of the later books, I think he may have promoted himself to Grand Moff...wasn't able to buy or get my hands on those so never read them). And stuff has been accumulating in my office (again... sigh) so I can't easily get to my Star WarsLegends books on the almost bottom most shelf of the book case.
As for lowering the coffin, still think that was Disney (and my highly paranoid alter ego, sticks the Thumbtack of Shame in the picture of Kathleen Kennedy for digging that grave in the first place).
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Post by vitugglan on Sept 9, 2019 9:53:56 GMT -6
What's the deal with a Republic and a First Order sharing the galaxy in the first place? And, since there is a Republic in XII, why are they funding a resistance movement instead of deploying their army? Yes, I think KK has a lot to do with the slow and painful demise of Star Wars.
Editing: wrong Roman numeral.
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Post by Admin on Sept 9, 2019 20:55:16 GMT -6
That Galaxy sucking blackplot hole doesn't even make any sense if you try and "argue inside the box". But then, I've read way better fan fictions for this fandom than the Bantha poo-doo they threw on the screen with Episodes VII and VIII (and I suspect Episode IX won't be any better). Eldest and Youngest Spawns were big Star Wars fans. But, neither of them have any interest in the current misbegotten crop of movies. I just hope that The Mandalorian will be worth watching when it shows up on Disney+. Because neither Rogue One nor the stand along Solo movie were worth it.  |
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Post by vitugglan on Sept 11, 2019 0:53:46 GMT -6
IX has to adhere to the current storyline somehow. Too bad. They ruined any attempt at a sequel trilogy, then Carrie Fisher died and that's all off the table now. I'm apathetic toward the franchise as it currently stands. I'll see IX when it comes to Amazon and not before, but I'm not chomping at the bit to grab the popcorn.
George Lucas must be snickering behind his hand at all of this (when he isn't crying over the ruination of his brainchild). Even the prequels are better than this crap.
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Post by Admin on Sept 12, 2019 9:18:54 GMT -6
I would have been so much better if they'd simply had Luke, C3PO and R2 for the beginning of the new trilogy and furthered the saga with new related characters rather than making an absolute hash of the original trilogy (and doing that ghod awful retconning with the Solo movie and Rogue One) by doing a sloppy and much worse fanfic of it and calling them VII, VIII and IX.
Seems like the only thing they held to from Lucus was that R2 and 3PO are in every movie. And, believe it or not, Disney, the world would not have actually ended had Leia's part been recast so the character could have gotten her story.
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Post by vitugglan on Sept 13, 2019 20:03:50 GMT -6
At the time, people really balked at recasting Leia. Now, not so much. I wish they'd made a logical continuation from VI instead of making Our Heroes the underdogs yet again.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2019 20:45:21 GMT -6
Yeah. And only part of that was (probably) due to the fall into the Uncanny Valley with the body double from the end of Rogue One. But, they really should not have allowed the fans (or even Fishers' family) that much say in that.
And, for what its worth, not so happy with Disney's choice in their Star Trek franchise to not recast the role of Chekov after the freak accident that took the life of the actor in the last year or so (I think?).
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Post by vitugglan on Sept 22, 2019 6:55:21 GMT -6
Might've been a couple of years ago, maybe even three, by now. (checking) Yeah, June of 2016. www.cbsnews.com/news/anton-yelchin-star-trek-actor-chekov-dead-at-27/ Hard to believe it was so long ago! Such a waste of a young life. They definitely should have re-cast Chekov, though. He wasn't so very associated with the role yet. I suppose they can get rid of the character for a movie or even two by citing some 'family emergency' that kept him away from the ship, but they need to bring him back. Gawd, that horrible CGI Young Leia! Yeah, that did play a part in fan reaction - I think it went something like, 'Please, PLEASE, don't EVER do that again!' By rights, my opinion, of course, they had the perfect opportunity to kill the character in TLJ - she was blown off the bridge by her son's squad. She died. They could have pulled all of her other moments forward or cut them. It would have given some sort of 'bookend' to the Solo family's story - Dad killed in VII, Mom in VIII, either son dead in XI or redeemed. But, no. They couldn't do that. They killed off Luke instead. Bad move, real bad move, especially given that Fisher had died. Her death was so near the end of production that it could have been 'fixed in post' as they say. |
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