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Post by vitugglan on Jan 18, 2021 9:06:05 GMT -6
I don't know if you've seen it.
My thoughts: typical sit-com from the early 1960s, think Dick Van Dyke Show (if that gets 'thingied' it's the Rob and Laura Petrie show). I thought at first that they used the B-team writers plus a couple of interns to write this, but looking at the disconnects in the two episodes so far, I'm re-thinking this. BTW, their anniversary is Aug 23, probably 1961, and their song is 'Yakkety Yack'.
Each show starts out with an opening reminiscent of its time. We see the 'Just Married' sign on the car, and the opening of episode 1 is all live-action people; the opening of episode 2 is animated and starts out very much like the Bewitched opening, and is all animated. Both openings say that Wanda Maximoff and Vision are the stars. The end of at least the first episode (I think the second, too, but am not 100% sure on that) plays out the usual ending of such sit-coms with Wanda and Vision framed in a hexagon, then pulls back from the screen to show someone watching the show on an old-fashioned computer monitor. This person has a S.W.O.R.D. emblem nearby. The real end credits have mostly red jewels forming into things like Vision's headdress, a house, and a gazebo.
Supporting cast: Agnes is the 'nosy neighbor' who is most interested in how the couple's bridge game is. She's uber-prepared for anything, even supplying a four-course meal on short notice. Agnes is married but we don't see her husband. Dottie is the 'queen bee' of the neighborhood, a very Stepford type of character. Everything she seems to do is 'for the children', a chant that everyone repeats robotically whenever she says it. She failed the 'boss coming to dinner' trope so her husband Phil is fired. Mr. Hart is Vision's boss, Mrs. Hart is his wife. Geraldine is another neighbor who doesn't know why she's there. She and Wanda meet in episode 2 at the planning meeting. She ends up being the third participant in the Visions' magic show. She doesn't know why or how she got into the box, but she didn't mind. Herbert/Herb is another neighbor who was at the 'neighborhood watch' meeting Vision attends in episode 2. Phil is Dottie's husband. He loses his job in the first episode, plays the piano, and mourns that it was magicked away in episode 2 - it was his aunt's or mother's. Phil is a milquetoast.
Things I liked: both episodes were true to their eras of sit-coms. Each had a typical trope - ep. 1 had the obligatory having the boss and his wife to dinner, a mix-up, and satisfactory resolution; ep. 2 had another 'this will go wrong' saved by magic. The second episode has the obligatory strange noise in the night and both Wanda and Vision are afraid of it but, on Vision checking, see there's nothing. The noise happens twice. Wanda checks the second time. After, she pulls the twin beds together and throws a single spread over them, and they disappear under the covers. I think this represents the loosening of the old Hayes Office restrictions on couples in bed that happened around that time. I also liked that the second episode ends with everything turning to color, which is about when, mid-1960s, most TV sit-coms changed over to color as more people were buying color sets. The supporting characters, with the exception of Geraldine, are true to their eras - examples: Agnes is a blend of Ethel and Lucy, for instance, to Wanda's Laura Petrie, Mr. Hart is a good take-off on Gale Gordon as Ricky's boss in an I Love Lucy episode about having the boss to dinner. They didn't use the creepy single drawn-out violin string (not the 'eep! eep! eep!' sound, the one long stretch) when the boss dinner nearly went tragic - you'd never hear that in a sit-com no matter what, unless they're making fun of a horror trope. The thing is, I think the horror is the 'reality' and the sit-com is the thin veneer.
The creepy: The date is marked by a heart but neither Vision nor Wanda know why. This leads to the obligatory boss to dinner trope, but it's strange that neither one knows why, and that Agnes, and so Wanda after talking to her, assumes it's their anniversary. They have no memory of anything before coming to Westview. (BTW, YT sleuths have discovered that this is probably in NJ because of something I've forgotten, and because of the area code on the 'for sale' sign on the house. Some AF base in the MCU is in NJ.) Vision doesn't know what his workplace does and his co-workers are no help. When the near-tragedy occurs at the boss dinner, Mrs. Hart keeps on telling her husband to stop, and Wanda and Vision just sit there staring at each other until Wanda tells Vision to 'help'. In ep. 2, there is a strange noise both at the beginning and the end of the in-show episode but neither one can see what it is until the end when the beekeeper comes up out of the sewer. The beekeeper has a S.W.O.R.D. logo on his back. Wanda, in b&w, finds a red and yellow helicopter with the S.W.O.R.D. logo on it in the bushes the day after the first noise. Later, still b&w, the blood on Dottie's hand is an unnatural red. The voice on the radio asking Wanda something, then going back to a Beach Boy's song - both Wanda and Dottie hear it and it upsets Dottie so much that she squeezes the glass in her hand until it breaks. 'Geraldine' tells Wanda that she doesn't know why she's there but they hit it off right away; she also doesn't know why she ended up in the magic box but it doesn't bother her. Note: when Wanda and Vision win the first-ever comedy award for their magic act, they include her as one of the recipients.
I think this will get creepier as the episodes wear on. IMdB lists this as a mini-series and it's speculated that it will lead to Dr. Strange and the Multi-verse of Madness. Surface: they used the B writers so the dialogue and tropes aren't as sparkling as the old sit-coms; deeper: I think there's a reason for that, it symbolizes that nothing is as it seems.
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2021 0:03:19 GMT -6
No thingies here! LOL. Funny you should mention Dick Van Dyke..
Steve Rogers trained at Camp Leahigh Army base, in NJ for "Project Rebirth". Also the first location for S.H.I.E.L.D. from 1945 until at least 1970 and where Director Peggy Carter had her office. Was basically the rock Zola crawled under after his death and HYDRA wiped it off the map with a bunker buster trying to kill Rogers and Romanov.
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Post by vitugglan on Jan 20, 2021 8:48:41 GMT -6
Yeah, Leahigh. I'd have spelled it differently if I'd remembered the name.  I forgot to critique the acting. Very good, as expected from top-tier actors. Bettany and Olsen are surprisingly good at comedy, and work well as a team. If they lose their day jobs they can go on the road with their act. Kathryn Hahn as Agnes teeters on the edge of not-quite-right, as in the nosy neighbor who doesn't notice the man moving in next door along with his wife, or that the car had a 'just married' sign on it. She also gets very close to breaking the fourth wall with lines something like, 'I just happened to have a four-course meal lying around, like most suburban housewives' - more the writers, but she carries it off like she's a tamer Deadpool. Teyonah Parris as 'Geraldine' (later Monica Rambeau) is also on an edge. Her character says she doesn't know why she's at that meeting but you get the idea that she might actually mean why she's in the town, or Wanda's dream, at all. Emma Caulfield Ford as Dottie is one of those, what we used to call 'buttless wonders' who smile like they're convinced they look friendly but really want to control your body and your soul. If one fan theory is right and she's Mephisto, it would stand to reason, the way she gets everyone in town to repeat, like a bunch of programmed robots, 'for the children'. There's another fan theory about Herb/Herbert, played by David Payton. (Vision insists on calling him 'Herbert'. Herb counters him, then decides to accept the more formal version of his name, lending itself to the idea that this is all staged.) I only heard it once, and I'm no Marvel Comics encyclopedia so I can't tell you which character this is, but there's a Herbert or Herb who had some prominent story line and this theory suggests it's the same guy. |
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Post by vitugglan on Jan 23, 2021 14:33:37 GMT -6
Episode 3: the 70s. It starts out with a song very like the first season of the Partridge Family, with tones of the Brady Bunch opening - the squares that are now hexagons. There's not really much of a plot except for getting ready for Baby. Things go weird and wonky fast. Really fast. Geraldine says something she shouldn't have and Agnes and Herb are afraid. Vision's getting there. Any more and I'd spoil the whole thing, but the weird and creepy bursts up like Jack's beanstalk.
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Post by vitugglan on Jan 30, 2021 6:05:21 GMT -6
Episode 4 is called, 'We Interrupt This Program' and starts with the reversal of 'The Snap'. It's wild. People reverse-dusting back into existence in a hospital. Including Monica Rambeau. Our 'Geraldine' from Westview is, in reality, CPT Monica Rambeau. We get caught up with her life since recovering from 'The Snap' - her mother died, her card key doesn't work at work any more, etc., the things you'd expect after five years in Limbo. We also see the world from outside of town and meet other MCU characters like Darcie from the Thor movies and Jimmy Woo from Ant Man. We find out who the Bee Keeper is, and what exactly happened to Geraldine after she said what she shouldn't have said. We find out who the voice on the radio was, and that no one outside of Westview remember that it's there or even remember the people who live there, to the point where a local sheriff is standing right beside the Westview sign saying there's no such place. Oddly, people outside of town can watch the show's episodes if they have an older, as Darcie says, 'not flat-screen', TV set. Their episodes are truncated - they don't see that Geraldine is tossed out of town after she says something she shouldn't have, but they do see that she says it - in fact, one character says, 'Did she just say "Ultron"?' They also don't see the Bee-keeper come out of the sewer.
This is episode 4 of 9 so I guess it's time to break the illusion for the viewer, something that happened at the end of the third episode when Geraldine/Monica lands outside of town, as shown in the trailers. We also get at least one thing from Wanda's perspective that shows the illusion is starting to break. We see two instances of people from our world being absorbed into the bubble-town and changing to conform to the in-town reality. Our TV-watcher notices that the 'shows' change decades but doesn't, as far as I recall, mention anything about the weird commercials having HYDRA connections, so what this watcher knows about that aspect of the MCU is unknown. This, BTW, is a character we've seen before in the movies.
There is speculation that Pietro might show up in this bubble world. I don't know, since the illusion is beginning to shatter. My impression is that this is a 'snow-globe world' premise. I don't know who's doing it, but I suspect this may be taking from the comics wherein Wanda goes on a mental break-down after all of her losses. This takes place after Endgame but before Far From Home. Most people, unlike Peter Parker, un-dust where they were when they dusted. I think Peter might have really been 'far from home' if he'd re-constituted where he dusted.
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Post by Admin on Jan 31, 2021 4:23:16 GMT -6
Peter Parker was on Titan with Stark, the Guardians of the Galaxy and Dr Strange during Infinity War. So, Parker, Strange, Star-Lord, Rocket and Drax (I think) would have -- theoretically -- come back there and Strange and his fellow sorcerers would have Portalled everyone to the site of the battle at Avenger Compound to face Thanos.
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Post by vitugglan on Jan 31, 2021 7:27:16 GMT -6
Which may be what happened. I don't know. From this latest episode, it looks like people were reconstituting where they stood when the snap happened. Nice effects, too - a close-up of Monica's ashes forming back into her.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 6, 2021 10:52:05 GMT -6
Episode 5. Four to go. I can't tell much without massive spoilers because this was another exposition episode with plenty of showing, too. First, the episodic nature of the show is... spoofed? Highlighted? Not sure. People outside of the 'Hex Zone' (named this by Darci because it's hexagonal-shaped) can watch these episodes if they have an old-fashioned TV. SHIELD is monitoring the episodes. Monica, Woo and Darci are all sort-of standing up for Wanda while not excusing what is currently perceived as bad behavior. I'm not sold on this all being Wanda because of the old Mystery Rule - the person first thought to be the culprit almost never is.
Wanda and Vision have twin boys, Tommy and Billy. That sorted out the disagreement about names - she wanted Tommy, he wanted Billy. They grow as fast as Wanda's pregnancy advanced - about a couple of weeks for full gestation, maybe less. Wanda is less concerned about showing off her powers, especially in front of Agnes, who always seems to be looking away when the magic occurs. Due to some in-world clues and an attempt by SHIELD to use a more 'modern' (1980s) form of communication, Vision is wondering about this world and the fact that he can't remember anything before it. Spoof or highlighting moment: V and W are arguing. Credits start to roll. He keeps pushing the argument and finally, the credits stop. They manifest their anti-gravity powers. Wanda can't manufacture clothing out of noting, she, or someone, transforms what you had into what fits the episode's decade. The clothes Monica was wearing when she was expelled are 80% Kevlar because she was wearing a Kevlar vest when she entered the anomaly.
It's less a sitcom now and more of a Marvel mystery. The sitcom world still exists, but there are ways to break through the illusion as shown in this episode, things I didn't tell you because they'd be spoilers. Tell me if you want spoilers or if this is okay. I'd recommend the series. The writing at first was, as I mentioned, sort-of B-rated, but now it seems that was to show cracks from episode dot onward. Four more episodes for a total of nine, then a week before I think it's the Loki series, or maybe the Falcon and Winter Soldier series, begins. At the moment, Disney+ is a good station to watch, IMO.
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2021 11:27:25 GMT -6
Not sure if Loki crawls out from under his rock debuts in February or not. But, Falcon and the Winter Soldier begins March 19th
I don't have Disney+ yet. And, I'm seeing a lot of what I call "Disney envy" with the other networks. CBS has changed its subscription channel from CBS All Access to Paramount+. NBC has been proclaiming about Peacock+ And, while the Discovery channel is part of Disney, they've been listed now as also having Discovery+ and a list of programs that go with them. I'm just wondering if we're now looking at imminent flatline on the free TV channels or not. And, granted, this "fear" was also brought up long ago when channels like HBO, MTV, Showtime and couple others I can't think of began and charged for access to their cable only channels.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 7, 2021 16:50:14 GMT -6
I don't watch regular TV much any more. We watch ESPN and the Weather Channel over dinner, and some local news, but I watch YouTube more, and the husband watches HBO and Netflix series. We're boomers. For me, I'd say that if the regular networks offered good programming, people would watch. You gotta satisfy that itch, you know, for good entertainment.
Wandavision will run another four weeks, so it's probably Falcon and the Winter Soldier up after the series ends.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 13, 2021 8:46:56 GMT -6
Episode 6. Three to go. We now have nearly equal time between the fictional sit-com universe and the real world. It's Hallowe'en. Fan service: Wanda and Vision are dressed in their outfits from the comics. Wanda says she's dressed as a Sokovian fortune teller while Vision is a Lucha Libre fighter. Pietro and one twin sport identical costumes - hair spiked up a la Wolverine and have blue shirts with lightning bolts across them while the other twin has some sort of home-made cape and headdress. The opening is more of a Malcolm in the Middle sort of beginning, and this time, Agnes is featured along with the family. She has no last name, while the twins are designated as Maximoffs.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the barrier, Monica, Jimmy and Darci get on Director Heyward's bad side and are ordered to be tossed off-base. They circumvent this wonderfully. I'm sure I wasn't the only one cheering. Monica and Jimmy leave but Darci stays on to hack into Heyward's more private files.
Meanwhile, inside the barrier, Vision notices weird things in the outskirts of Westview. People move slowly or repeat small motions over and over again. For some reason, the intersection of Ellis and Rolling Hill, a T-intersection with Ellis ending there, is highlighted. If you've seen the trailers, this episode features heavily. I think it's the fulcrum. Agnes is dressed as a witch and tells Vision he's dead. Vision flies up and sees that there is life and laughter at the center of town where Wanda and the rest of the family are hanging out but as he looks farther and farther away, there is less and less action. Pietro discovers that one twin has his super-speed while the other twin manifests Wanda's mental powers. Wanda gets angry and bad things happen.
These episodes were all shot before the first one aired. I'm impressed that they're answering questions viewers have - what happened to Wanda's and Pietro's accents? Never answered, but the question was asked. Monica says at one point that what comes to pass inside the hex will be real outside of it. We see that a) that's probably true but b) there's a magnetic pull to the barrier that forbids people from leaving, the exception being Monica, who was deliberately expelled by Wanda. We see that this hex causes molecular changes in people. We see people, not just in this episode, trying to placate Wanda and this gets more pronounced with each episode.
The Bad Thing Wanda does at the end of the episode had me on the edge of my seat. Some people are saying to skip the first couple of episodes as they're kind-of boring. Like I said above, they're written like they decided to allow some interns to write them or brought out the B-team, but I'm convinced these episodes actually start building up the mystery, subtly at first where Wanda and Vision are on the back foot, to now where everyone tries to stay on Wanda's good side. When you get around to watching it, look for little things like a single tear on the cheek or frightened glances. So far, this has been built up well, IMO. Three more episodes to the conclusion. Hopefully the quality will remain high.
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2021 12:31:44 GMT -6
Some of this sounds like what could have been had Rod Serling's The Twilight Zone been actual series instead of the kick ass anthology. One episode, "It's a Good Life", is a similar situation. Save that it is known who removed the little town of Peaksville, Ohio into its own little bubble and controls everything. And the boy, played by Bill Mumy ("Will Robinson" from the original Lost in Space and "Lennier" from Babylon 5 among others) was not portrayed as evil. This is pretty much what happens when you have a 3 year old born with god like powers.
It would be cool if they did a Twilight Zone type opening for one of the next episodes.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 14, 2021 7:03:36 GMT -6
Dang, I wish they would have a Twilight Zone opening! They've done everything else.
A lot of reviewers have referenced "It's a Good Life" with this series. I notice they're not referencing the John Landis version where the good-hearted teacher solves the problem just by being her amazing self and taking the kid with her. It's always the original version. BTW, Billy Mummy has a small part in the Landis version. Oh, and what has John Landis done lately? My spell-checker didn't recognize his name. I had to instruct it to add the name to its dictionary. Did that whole killing of three actors in his TZ film do him under? He was one of the Wunderkind.
They also keep going back to both House of M and another one where Vision has a synthezoid family. Even the dogs had the same name, Sparky. It's getting weirder and better and the writing's been openly up to MCU standards for some time now. The episodes are just long enough to barely satisfy but you're hungering for more.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 20, 2021 10:53:17 GMT -6
Episode 7: Things are getting tense. The Bad Thing Wanda did has affected people on both sides of the barrier. Darci was caught up in it but Vision pulled her out of it. She tells him what happened in Endgame and he processes it as their ice cream van stops for road workers and pedestrians. Meanwhile, everything is glitching. Wanda herself doesn't know what's going on. She needs a 'mommy-me' day so Agnes takes the kids off her hands. There is a big reveal at the end of the episode, which, as usual, lasted just long enough to satisfy but cut off well-short of viewer apathy. Monica and Jimmy meet a stock character who brings the space vehicle, before Wanda's amazing re-entry into Westview. That article you posted mentions how awesome Monica's character is turning out to be, but didn't mention that Jimmy Woo is also growing and fleshing out as a character. He's a fan-favorite and people are now talking about possibly giving him his own show, maybe as an inductee into yet another MCU agency, one from the comics that I've never heard of. Darci's character, too, is fleshing out moreso than just the sidekick from the first two Thor movies. Favorite line from her this episode (not a direct quote but a good gist): "I confess I sort-of wanted to be in the show..."
The style is the '90s. I was working nights, so sleeping until about ten, when I'd get up and trudge off to the salt-mine so I missed these shows. The Office, maybe, and a show called, I think, All of Us. Wanda, Agnes, and Vision all talk directly to the camera during the episode in an interview style. The opening concentrates on Wanda, only adding Vision at the end. We also get a Munster-like opening near the end after the Big Reveal. We get a comic-canon character as the Baddie, so some of the - a lot of the - speculation was right.
Again, the writing was excellent and so was the acting. I think the worst writing, which was still very good, was for Vision. Darci, as mentioned, got in some good lines, and characters were expanded while still adding to integral parts of the story. If you do decide to binge this, there is a mid-credit scene at the end. The whole thing is playing like a movie now, with week-long bathroom and snack breaks. Highly recommended.
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Post by vitugglan on Feb 27, 2021 9:54:03 GMT -6
Episode 8: We get reruns! Only they're of the things we never quite got to see in the movies, plus another origin story. We see the Stark bomb. We see the Mindstone. We see the SWORD facility where Vision's body was kept. We see the beginning of the series before the series begins, the origin of the Westview anomaly. We see the reason the show was all sitcoms in the beginning. We see the audience seating - episode 1 was shot in front of a live studio audience like many sitcoms of the era. We get another mid-credit scene with Heyward and we finally see his Plan. The post-credit scene is the only present-day scene outside of Westview.
This episode sets up what I'm sure will be an orgasmically satisfying climax, no pun originally intended but hey, I'm running with it. This is a two-person show for the most part. We do see other people, but they're in the flash-backs, except for the mid-credit scene. It's all Agnes and Wanda. Agnes is now the star so her name goes first, and even the Marvel logo changes from Wanda's red to Agnes's purple in the beginning. This is now a terror/hostage creep-show outright.
It's also a tear-jerker in some spots, as I'm sure you can guess given the flash-backs noted above. We see a lie exposed. We see a path toward the ending, but I'm sure it will be entertaining and engaging. No commercial, since the commercials seem to echo what's deep inside of Wanda. I think the commercials are finished. Could be wrong, but this is where the funnel should be ramping up into a waterspout so no need for the break.
Kathryn Hahn and Elizabeth Olson are magnificent, Olson a little moreso. She's more natural, IMO. Hahn's not quite as perfect. Heyward's just who he is, no need for anything even slightly outside of the usual acting slog, which is where Olson and Hahn separate. Again, highly recommended. Next week is the last episode - at least that's what was originally put out there - nine episodes, and this was the eighth. Since they don't need to stick to a normal half-hour or hour TV show length, I'm hoping that next week will be a bit longer, just for the enjoyment I'm anticipating. My math is really fuzzy, but I think they said this is a six-hour production in total. That would be twelve half-hour shows but we only have nine episodes. Fingers crossed!
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2021 1:53:00 GMT -6
You really needed to warn that eating/drinking during the first two or three episodes is not a good idea.
Grandspawn and I completely marathoned the show Saturday night. He had seen episodes 1-7, so knew what was happening, but hadn't seen 8 (because they broadcast it this week. So, that last episode we got to experience new together.
Is there any info anywhere about why Monica Rambeau doesn't talk about her "Aunt" Carol Danvers?
I do not like the Director of SWORD. I do not like him, Sam I am.
And the (re)casting of the clowns was so appropriate! had a bit of a spit-take there on seeing that.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 1, 2021 5:42:23 GMT -6
Oh. By the way. Eating or drinking during the first few episodes is not recommended. No info on why Monica reacted that way to mention of CPT Marvel. Plenty of speculation - Carol wasn't there for Maria's last days, Carol's radiation caused Maria's cancer, Carol didn't/couldn't stop the Snap, Carol didn't act fast enough when it was clear the universe was in danger, etc., etc. Eman's Movie Review on YouTube did an interview with Teyonah Parris. I haven't watched it because I'm not too into interviews. I don't think she spilled the beans on anything important to the universe, after all, she isn't Tom Holland. Okay, watched the partial interview posted at Eman's site. 6:34 iirc. Yup, she's no Tom Holland. Lol! I like Darci a lot. I like Jimmy Woo. There are people asking about possible series for each of these characters. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 4, 2021 5:16:17 GMT -6
Is it me, or was the staircase in that episode almost an exact copy from the Brady Bunch household?
And that sentence is so much more interesting now that I've seen the episode.
Actually, I think it's just Darci and the folks at the perimeter base.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 4, 2021 6:28:17 GMT -6
From all the reviews I've watched, yes, that staircase and some of the other background elements actually are, or are said to be, from The Brady Bunch.
Yes, a lot of stuff gets more interesting as the episodes roll on.
I think anyone in the perimeter of that ancient Big Bang energy could pick up the signal, if they knew the signal existed and if they had an older TV. I think the magic has pretty much cleared out the area that close to the Hex so yes, the SWORD folks are the only ones who can pick it up.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 8, 2021 9:41:03 GMT -6
Well, it's over. It ended the way I thought it would once I was on board with Vision being a creation inside the hex. He and the kids had to go in order to free the town of Wanda's grief and to free Wanda from wallowing in it. Reality has to step in at some point so the grieving can go on with their lives. I hope White Vision ends up coming back and maybe making a life with Wanda, since he's essentially the actual Vision now that his memories were restored. I also hope the post-credit scene with the boys' voices heard means they'll be back, too. I liked the family and the way the actors interacted.
Darci and Jimmy didn't have enough screen time, IMO. They'll have to do something with those characters to expand on what they started here. Not real happy with the Skrull story line, but I suppose they're part of the MCU now so they use them. I'm betting it's Fury that Monica's supposed to meet 'up there'.
On the Doyle level, I see that a big cameo would have dwarfed the actual stars of this show, whether it was Dr. Strange or Nick Fury who intervened. On the Watson level, I was hoping that Dr. Strange would show up at the very end to help Wanda get a handle on her powers.
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Post by Admin on Mar 10, 2021 18:41:34 GMT -6
I was struck by how much the fight between the Visions... and their nonviolent confrontation in the library... was a bit like Vision and Ultron. Or was that just me? Only this one ended peacefully and both parties got to walk -- well, fly -- away intact.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 11, 2021 9:35:20 GMT -6
Vision and Ultron were supposed to be the same entity, so that makes sense. It also reminded me of the scene between the two of them in Age of Ultron. But, since they weren't quite the same - Ultron had his own programming (?) while Vision had Jarvis, they didn't end up seeing eye to eye. Red Vision, though, and White Vision, are essentially the same being, only one without substance and the other without memory. Red Vision could speak to himself and know that White Vision would understand. Their programming is identical. The difference is, White Vision has the corporeal body and memory associated with the original Vision while Red Vision doesn't. Despite this fight being more low-key, I thought it was better overall than Wanda v. Agatha, maybe because it's one entity fighting himself.
I wonder if Red Vision gave any of his Westview memories to White Vision or if he merely opened the memory inside the original Vision body.
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