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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2021 17:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 19, 2021 13:48:12 GMT -6
Is he the senior in that duo? I know Bucky would be (at his age, shouldn't he be getting a pension?) but when was Falcon introduced? I'm fuzzy - I should watch CPT America again - but weren't they introduced in the same movie? Or am I conflating the two CPT America movies?
Editing: typo.
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Post by Admin on Mar 19, 2021 18:58:49 GMT -6
Bucky Barnes' first appearance was Captain America: The First Avenger. Wilson's first appearance is the second CA film, The Winter Soldier.
Technically, Bucky is the more senior of the pair if you go by birth date. Bucky: 03/10/1917 which puts him at 106 in 2023. Sam was born in 1978 so he'd be about 46. Thing is, even with the bastardized Super Serum Zola foisted onto him, Bucky has probably actually seen (read actually lived) less than 40 years. He's probably not even actually 35 yet since he was only 25 or 26 when he fell from the train.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 20, 2021 6:44:22 GMT -6
That's one of the things that gets me about the Bucky Barnes character. He should be more 'golly-gee-whiz' about things the way Steve was. The therapist scene was unrealistic to me because of the way he interacted with her (assuming you've seen it but being sketchy in case you haven't) and I thought about the way my dad would have taken that scene (b. 02/04/02). My dad would have told her off and walked out. Maybe that's because Bucky hasn't seen more than a few years comparatively, but his upbringing would still have been the same as himself whether he saw only 25 or 30 years or whether he saw everything as it went along.
On a slight stroll down the frontage road: When I think of both Steve and Bucky I think of the advances we've made in their lifetimes. Most people are aware of the changes around them as they get older. My parents saw the birth of TV, the increase of telephones in homes and my mother saw the rise of cell phones, they went from nothing to be done about serious childhood diseases and higher infant and child mortality to vaccines and fewer child deaths. Fashion goes in cycles but it also seems to go in a spiral, going back to one look or another but putting the year's particular stamp on it. Cars. Trains. Planes - the first passenger planes were luxury liners and very expensive, now it's cheaper to take a plane than a train. And of course, they saw men landing on the moon. My mother saw the fall of the Soviet Union, my father saw the rise of it. Talking about spirals, the electric car is back but it's better. Steve and Bucky make me think of things like that and I can't divorce them from older mores and values.
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2021 15:54:04 GMT -6
But, Bucky has really never been quite the "golly, gee whiz" type at the level that Steve was. Yeah, he was excited in First Avenger to see the Stark Expo (and the almost flying car). But, I think, even if Hydra never got their mitts on him a second time, he'd have been one of those who came home and the shine would definitely have been gone from the apple. And, unlike rather idealistic Steve, Bucky did not enlist. He was drafted (proof being, I think that his service number began with a 3) and that's part of why he ragged on Steve about pushing so hard to join. Bucky was scared of the thought of going to war, but he wouldn't (or couldn't) let his friend see that.
Besides, you have to admit (sort of) the future from Bucky's time was bright and shiny. He may be looking at all this with the thought yeah, neat. But you still have war, poverty, inequality and where the hell is my flying car?! (Wakanda and SHIELD has them!)
Would dearly, dearly love to see an Agent Coulson cameo in the show. Bucky and Sam are having to hitch a ride from the middle of no where. Coulson pulls up along side them in Lola. As they fly off, you hear Bucky's scream of jubilation.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 21, 2021 14:46:54 GMT -6
Maybe not as overt as Steve, but still not as casual as we saw with the cell phone. Maybe a slight contempt for this newfangled thing.
If they go like WandaVision they'll have some second-tier characters show up. I hope so. That helps people see these characters more fleshed out.
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Post by Admin on Mar 22, 2021 13:03:22 GMT -6
Barnes still has all of the skills that were instilled (installed?) during his 70+ years of enslavement by Hydra. He speaks quite a few languages. Is a screamingly highly skilled fighter. He can fly high tech aircraft (the SHIELD/Hydra Quin-jet in Winter Soldier, the helicopter in Civil War). The phone he has probably isn't the first one he's ever used. And he's had much better when he was recovering in Wakanda. He's not all that impressed with this 21st Century tech. He also probably suspects that the government pre-loaded tracking and listening software on it which would be very good reasons not to have all his friends in his Contacts and he's ignoring Sam's texts because of the suspected pre-loaded software.
All that, and Tinder dating could put anyone off the interwebs...
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 23, 2021 5:02:07 GMT -6
Lol! Well, if he walks off on all his dates like he did in the premiere episode, Tinder might just ban him.
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Post by Admin on Mar 26, 2021 10:08:11 GMT -6
He bailed on his date for a solid reason (notice, I didn't say it was a good reason! lol ).
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 27, 2021 8:00:05 GMT -6
Yes, a solid reason, but he could at least have said something about a rain-check. He just dashed off. Too bad. He needs a nice, non-work-related relationship.
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Post by Admin on Mar 30, 2021 1:58:05 GMT -6
Bucky probably feels about like I do toward most of the tech now. Not that fond of it, not all that impressed with it. But, we did see that he can drive a tablet like nobody's business when he "Tony Starked" that politician's car as we see him do one of the first of his "amends" (12 Step program there, much?). Would be interesting to find out just what she wanted to "go away". Maybe proof that she got her political seat and power from Hydra (via the Winter Soldier) and Homeland folks realized they missed a few rats in the original power collapse back in 2016 (I think?) when Cap took down SHIELD/Hydra?
And the therapist ragging on him for having so few contacts in his phone.... to be blunt, all of his friends and loved ones are dead. Doubt he exchange numbers with any of "Team Cap" (if only so his handlers they wouldn't be harassed by his court appointed bird dogs. As for Wilson and he's ignoring his texts. Pretty sure a large chunk of the rest of those Dusted are handling their own return about as badly as he is. Most probably without the court system clogging their colon.
The second episode slipped in one of the Young Avengers. No idea what the nom de guerre (face it, sounds much better than "superhero name") is. But its either the young black male who called Wilson "Black Falcon" or its Isiah Bradley's nephew (the one who answered the door).
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 30, 2021 13:38:13 GMT -6
Isaiah's nephew, from the talking heads on YouTube. Darn. Now I have to go back and switch 'Elijah' for 'Isaiah.' I knew the name was Old Testament.
I don't like that therapist any more than the gov't drone that snitched Cap's shield and gave it to Mr. New Guy. I wonder if she was a missed agent, too. Movies usually give various factions certain looks, and she has that Hydra look. The politician? Yeah, either she's dirty all on her own or she was Hydra.
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Post by Admin on Mar 30, 2021 16:28:40 GMT -6
Pretty sure she was both dirty and Hydra, since Bucky did admit that he (as the Winter Soldier) was the one who gave her that power to abuse.
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Post by vitugglan on Mar 31, 2021 5:31:23 GMT -6
Well, being Hydra would make her dirty, but being dirty wouldn't necessarily make her Hydra, see any random politician, IMO of course.  And, it looks like the grandson is Elijah, so I had that in my mind for a reason. Just skipped a generation (son in between) for who owned the moniker. Yeah, I'll grab that straw! |
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And, it looks like the grandson is Elijah, so I had that in my mind for a reason. Just skipped a generation (son in between) for who owned the moniker. Yeah, I'll grab that straw!